Rethinking Sharing
September 10, 2008 By: Justin | 32 commentsSo with all the discussion recently on Court and Vic’s blog about sharing stuff, I’ve changed my mind on the case study. I will continue to share information here, but not in relationship to any specific site I own. I do not participate in black hat SEO, but there is a group of people who seem to enjoy reporting people’s site and getting Court’s and Vic’s stuff slappd around. I don’t feel like dealing with that, so I won’t be sharing my sites.
I will continue to make posts and answer questions, so no worries. I just won’t be doing it with an example. I’m a pretty white colored gray hat, so I don’t do stuff that will get me in trouble, but getting reported can cause a head ache.
Just making this so people know and don’t ask wtf happened to the case study. I’m getting ready to work on a few things on the site to pull in some more links, but if you have any questions about stuff, feel free to ask.
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Okay Justin thanks. I have some question. Where will you be getting your links from? WHat is the competition of your kw in intitle and “exact match”
What speed are you getting new links? Will you use Bmd? Thanks :)
Since it is a BANS long tail site, I’ll just be doing the usual for links. A few directories. About 3 or 4 article submissions to article marketer. I’ll get some dofollow comment links. I’ll also do some BMD runs. I might also grab some squidoo and hub page links for it.
Depending on how that goes, I might get some more. I may do link exchanges with 2 or 3 other related sites.
I will also research my competition’s links and get any of them that I can obtain.
Since I’m attaching a blog, I have few link bait ideas that should do so so on delicious and stumbleupon. I’m hoping that will build some links organically.
Given the competition, that should be more than enough.
As for my competition, I have a few keywords for the newer site. For all in title, there are 550 and 600 results. The top ranked is a PR 0 page. For an exact match, there are 13,000 and 24,000 results. The same PR 0 page ranks #1
The main keyword gets about 3,000 searches / month or so.
I’m a little slower when I get links. I don’t want to risk the sandbox, so I don’t get too many too fast. I’ll do a few now and wait a bit and come back every week and do some more.
I don’t use BMD as much right now, but looking forward to the v4 BMD. It looks good and if it is, I will use it.
If you don’t mind me asking, for 3000 searches and the CPC what is your expected revenue from this long tail BANS? I’m looking to make a few hundred a month from each BANS I set up and want to know how far out on the tail to go.
For this one, I’m not really sure. It is an odd niche. Its adsense CPC is about 0.05, lol. It is really a weird niche. A fair bit of search volume, but nobody is in it. Its kind of a “sub-culture” type clothing product. There is demand for it, but nobody is really filling the need.
It’s similar to a keyword sniping site that does well. It’s an odd niche. It has like 200,000 searches a month and the #1 site was a PR 1 when I got into it (no joke). That site makes $300 to $1,000 / month. It “should” make more, but its hard to monetize it. And it has a 0.05 cpc according to Google. It’s an odd site too, because it does poorly in Google. 80% of its traffic is from Yahoo. (??)
Another example I can give. A BANS site I have. It’s main keyword gets 720 searches a month, and a CPC of 0.54. It made $400 last month. It gets very little traffic, but converts well.
should be said too. I’ve had bans that have just flopped. I might get 1 or 2 sign ups ever 2 months or so. Some have made no money in 2 to 3 months. I just let them site, because as long as they make “some” money this year, they’re worth keeping up because they pay for themselves at least.
I was keeping a running tally of how many times you used “odd niche”.
I say you’re already nuts for giving away all kinds of great info for free, showing off your sites just doesn’t make sense, if you (or Griz or Vic) showed us a case study, I think we should shut up and not ask for examples. Hypotheticals work for me and they should for everyone.
I agree. I don’t want some hater coming along and wiping out your site just because you showed one of us the site. Your information was perfect and let me know that there was decent money in those small search volumes as well.
This is why I hate the whole MMO blogging sector and one of the reasons I don’t blog because although I would love to help people make money online like court, vic and griz do - the risk of some jerk reporting my sites and or methods just isn’t worth taking.
Look forward to reading/watching your posts though although it is a shame that it’s got to the stage where you can’t risk helping by teaching with examples.
Probably a wise move…
I have wanted to start a SEO site, but have a great fear of getting the crap slapped out of me by Google. I even bought a sweet domain, and set up the whole blog, but have yet to put a post. I think I will stick to BANS and adsense and just make the money.
Probably a very wise decision. It’s amazing that people are so hateful that they would burn people that are trying to help. Glad to see you aren’t going to just quit helping altogether.
Justin - I’m interested in if you will do a WP/BANS theme together and offer that. I’d like to take one of the stock WP/BANS themese out there and modify it but I am afraid I’ll screw it up without a “template” to follow. Any assistance would be appreciated.
I’m sad to see there won’t be a case study, but completely understand the reasons. The one thing I was really hoping to see was an updated KW research video post that used Google’s new estimated count information. Would you consider doing an updated tutorial with free tools and one with KW elite, since you use it also? Thanks.
Just wondering how your BANS sites are doing generally? A lot of mine that were in Google’s index have now been de-indexed. I assume that the rest will too over the next couple of days or so.
So far the ones that have been attached to the back of already established blogs are safe but I will know soon enough. I guess they are cracking down on “thin affiliates”. Perhaps it’s a bit like Vic said re: MFA. Put your blog up and wait for a few months before adding Adsense. Maybe the same goes for BANS. I don’t know.
Hi April,
Do you think this is about BANS, or could there be another reason? I have a few BANS sites and they have not experienced any indexing issues, knock on wood. 3 of them sit on page one in SERPS.
JR
I just had a BANS site deindexed from Google. I’m going to look into it. It wasn’t ranking well anyways, and get much of its traffic from Yahoo. Waiting to see how this affects the site’s income.
Mine were doing well, but I just had one deindexed (noticed last night). I’m going to look into it more. It doesn’t have a blog attached to it. I’m going to work on its content and see if that helps
Hi Justin,
What you say makes total sense, best to keep things private, so many people out there are vindictive, just plain old haters or have nothing better to do!
Thanks,
JR
Hey mate,
Just did a search for courtney tuttle’s site, and it does not pop up on the first page. Has he been slapped? Have i missed something, have been out of the loop for a while though. Please correct me if I am wrong
Yeah, Court recently got some form of slap. He’s no long on page 1 =(
Not really sure what caused it, people have been debating it. That’s one reason Court made his content is king post
I think you should share the URLs to your sites, then you will get links and traffic to them unless you are doing shady stuff.
You are obviously a newbie yourself (full time college student and part time internet marketer) so there is not much risk to give out the links to your sites as experiments that we can check up on from time to time.
I disagree.
First, any link manipulation is “grayhat”. The only real organic links are from link bait. So even though my sites are clean in my eyes, others might consider otherwise. And even if my sites are clean, people can still report my site. This type of stuff can affect rankings while my site is under inspection.
And why would I share my content with a person who trolls comments and calls me a newbie. Please go and read some A-lister Guru blog. Just because I do this part time 10 to 20 hours a week and not 40, does not make me a newb.
There is tons of risk in handing out too much information. I do this part time, but it pays 100% of all my bills. Being a college student doesn’t mean I have no risks or responsibilities.
Sure Andy…so you can piggy-back onto his niche and then complain to “G” to get his site slapped?
Cruel response. I never complain to big G, copy or grass on people.
Yeah right ;) What traffic? Justin wants traffic to make money not to look at his niche as the newbie part goes son read and learn ;) Well maybe we can learn from your PR1 .org LMAO!!! BTW you do understand you could be reported to ICANN as you are using a domain for a non-profit right? Oh yeah that is exactly why Justin does not show his niches LMAO!!!
lol, Vic
Thanks for swinging by. The more and more I’m doing this, I understand how much easier it’d be just to stfu and keep to myself. I want to be nice and helpful, but you get people like Andy.
I get 100% why you made the choice to go with the paid teaching model.
Justin, I have been reading your posts and comments for a few months now, I must say THANK YOU. You have alot of great info that helps out so much. This is the first time I have posted to your blog but another commenter said I can’t believe you give out all this great info for FREE. One thing that does puzzles me is that your site with a PR of 2 can out rank PR3 and PR4, one site that I speak of has about 300,000 pages indexed on google and 100,000 domain backlinks…WAY TO GO!!!
I actually should make a video about this. I think its important for people to understand links exactly.
PageRank is a factor and plays a role in rankings, but tool bar pagerank is a poor indicator of rankings.
With better on site SEO and better anchored links, you can out rank older sites with many more links (volume)
Justin do not show your stuff not worth it man the sad part is even if your stuff is squeeky clean a visual can take 2 months and in the whole time you are not making money ;)
Actually, I do agree to not show your stuff. Remind me not to post after I had a few beers or in your case Meds Vic! LMAO!!
p.s. .org is OK for any kind of site just like .info doesn’t have to be only informational. Anyway, how do you know I am not raising money to repair the local church roof? LOL
Do you ever sneak links into post besides the one that is used to identify yourself on the blog. I have been trying to rank high for Murfreesboro TN, this has been a battle for about 4 months now, I am not sure how word press is set up but I know I have done this other places where I was able to slip in links using the sites CSS. Is it even worth my time if the site does not have relevant content.
Sorry about that but anyways I forgot to add the style=”text-decoration:none. Your thoughts?